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Kamalia ticked over 100 different World Quests for Variety is the Spice of Life this week. Although I’ve finished Variety is the Spice of Life, I’ll continue to try to do World Quests that I haven’t done before. Kamalia also hit Revered with Court of Farondis, earning her Order Hall boots, and reached 100,000 AP (divided between three Artifacts), earning her Order Hall belt. For some reason I haven’t yet managed to get Black Rook Hold when running a random daily Heroic; I’ve been thinking about queueing deliberately for it just to finish off getting the Order Hall pants. That will only leave the shoulders from the Order Hall set… and getting to Exalted with Suramar will be a long haul.

I’ve been enjoying the World Quest system very much, even with the frequent repetition of some of the quests… will the Rivermane ever get those grubs out of their garden? That quest, like many of the World Quests, is a repeat of a quest I did while I was leveling. That’s okay — it seems to be the more whimsical and fun leveling quests that are getting repeated as World Quests — though I haven’t yet seen a return to The Chair of Bossing Around. There have been enough World Quests that aren’t quests I did while leveling to keep things interesting and novel, too.

Despite their limited variety, the Kirin Tor quests are some of my favorites; over the course of the three days when they’re up, I will do them all, not just the four I need to do to complete the Emissary quest on the first day. The Ley Race is just fun, and even when I’ve lost the path of the ley nodes, I haven’t yet managed to get far enough away that I get dismounted (I haven’t actively tried to do that, though). For me, the Enigma patterns are simple enough that I haven’t felt the need to resort to graph paper… I’ve occasionally wished that there were some harder ones that would send me running for some graph paper😛 The hardest one, for me, is the flying bubbles because of the 3D movement and the difficulty of seeing exactly where my character is relative to the center of the bubble in 3D space. The flying bubbles at the bridge in Suramar was the hardest the first time I did it because it took me quite a while to figure out that to get into the first bubble of the chain, I have to drop down out of the bubble that the mage is in. Once I figured that out, though, the path is so short that I now find it easier than the one at Nar’thalas Academy. Plus, rep-of-my-choice is awesome. I’ve been always choosing Suramar, with the result that I am now a little under halfway through Honored with Suramar despite not even having managed to talk to Oculeth in the main story questline yet.

At the moment, if I do additional World Quests beyond the four for the faction-of-the-day, I’m prioritizing Artifact Power. I’d really like to get Sharas’dal fully powered up, and I’d like to pick up a second gold trait for the Fist of Ra-den and the Doomhammer, too. After Artifact Power, I’ll look for quests that reward relics. If it’s a life or frost relic, I’m hoping that it will proc upgraded ilevel for Sharas’dal. I don’t yet have relics for all of the sockets in the Fist of Ra-den and the Doomhammer. Occasionally I try doing World Quests as Elemental or Enhancement — but I always end up feeling so squishy that I go back to Resto (that trend makes me a little nervous to think about doing World Quests with a character who doesn’t have a healing spec). I’d like to get to the point where I feel comfortable doing World Quests — or even dungeon DPS — with my DPS specs.

Meanwhile, at my Order Hall mission table, I’m currently prioritizing Champion ilevel upgrade tokens because I want to have my best Champions ready to investigate Karazhan when Patch 7.1 arrives! My second priority for Champion missions is Artifact Power. I haven’t done any Champion missions that bring back quest-starter items for dungeons or raids yet.

Despite how much Kamalia still has to do, though, I’m starting to want to play alts, too. My Mage is out of Order Resources and needs to do some more questing in Azsuna. She’s almost to level 102 and being able to get her other two Artifacts. My Demon Hunter needs to start questing in Azsuna so that she can reach level 101 and complete the establishment of her Order Hall by recruiting her first two Champions and sending them on the missions to rescue her Troop Recruiter and Order Hall Upgrade people. And then there’s all the rest who are still twiddling their thumbs in their Garrisons on Draenor…

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Kaelinda dinged 101 from the Old Dalaran and Thunder Bluff Fishing dailies today.

It was high time, therefore, that she go to the Broken Isles.

The Mage Order Hall introduction and the Felo’melorn acquisition questlines were awesome — and I just breezed right through them in Fire spec.

The Hall of the Guardian is breathtaking. I am so excited to keep playing with Kaelinda and find out how the rest of the Mage Campaign goes!

Being a Mage, and thus able to hop from continent to continent with ease, she’ll keep doing those Old Dalaran and Thunder Bluff Fishing dalies — she hasn’t gotten that Jeweled Fishing Pole yet.

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Another week has gone by and I haven’t made much more progress in Suramar. One day when the faction-of-the-day was the Nightfallen, I went to do the world quest to shoot down bats in Felsoul Hold. While I was in the area anyway, I went another few steps down the leatherworking questchain and a few steps down the zone quest chain, but I didn’t finish either one. I’ll come back to them eventually — probably the next time I do world questing in that area. Another day, I went to do the world quest to activate beacons in Azuregale Bay, and while I was in the area anyway, I followed up on the Crimson Thicket breadcrumb — a very brief quest chain that didn’t seem to resolve, so I suspect I’ll be coming back there once I get farther along in the main zone story — and helped the Jandvik vrykul with their battle against the naga. I felt justly rewarded when they cheered me for saving their village, but I felt rather uncomfortable when Toryl then made the worst cultural and political decision of her career by appointing me Jarl of Jandvik. I’m sorry, Toryl, but I have no interest in sticking around to administrate in your village. So let’s treat it like an honorary Jarlship and you keep being the real leader of Jandvik, m’kay?

By prioritizing the faction-of-the-day for my world questing, I’ve gotten to Honored with all of the factions and to Revered with Highmountain. I’m currently at 79/100 for Variety is the Spice of Life; in the past few days, I’ve started to peruse the map specifically for world quests that I haven’t done before. Hopefully, I’ll be able to finish that up by the time I get all the leveling zone factions to Revered. Then, when finishing the Suramar storyline will be the only thing that I have left to do to complete Pathfinder Part I, I might actually be able to focus on it.

I’d balked at doing the quest to go retrieve leatherworking patterns from the Underbelly, but when I realized that I’d have to do it to get to the final leatherworking quests in Highmountain, I gritted my teeth and did it. I still have to actually go do those quests, though. And I still have to finish the Suramar branch of the leatherworking quests, too. I’ve seen folks complaining in The Queue about having to do Mythic dungeons for their professions, but that’s just for the 2 and 3 star recipes, right? I’m pretty sure that all the 1 star recipes come as quest rewards, and once I’ve got all of those, that’ll be good enough for me.

Meanwhile, my alts are starting to get “done” with their Garrisons. All of my alts have finished collecting their Salvage Yard sets except for the Paladin, who still needs the chestpiece. One of the clothies finally got the Highmaul/Blackrock Foundry Mage Tier-lookalike shoulders, so they don’t need to worry about those missions anymore. My plate alts are still running Highmaul/Blackrock Foundry missions trying to get the Paladin Tier-lookalike chestpiece. I guess I should take all the alts who are “done” with their Garrisons to New Dalaran and get them set up in their Order Halls with their first Artifacts.

Speaking of getting more Artifacts, I’d like to get the Artifact Fishing Pole eventually. With what I’m hearing about how buggy it is, however, perhaps I’ll wait until it gets hotfixed (hopefully that will actually happen someday) to actively spend time on fishing and trying to catch rare fish. I should probably prioritize finishing Suramar over finishing fishing, too😛

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I finally managed to find some time to put together some new profile pictures and update my Characters page to add my Demon Hunter. I made a new blog header banner, too, featuring all of the characters I currently log in with, think about, or blog about at least semi-regularly.

I’ve dressed them in their new character selection screen/Garrison Salvage Yard class sets and arranged them in the order of the expansion in which they could have first been created.

I’ve shown the Underpowered Death Knight in the crafted Heavy Mithril set that is her base gear set — that is, the lowest quality gear set that would still be Moggable. I suppose now that Warriors and Paladins start out in Plate and all those quest rewards that used to be Str Mail have now been converted to Plate, I could get the Underpowered Death Knight an even more tissue-paper-thin set of gear… but I don’t think it’s really worth the effort to do so. At level 100, the difference between level 40 gear and level 10 gear is insignificant.

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You know something I’m loving about Legion? That lots of the people whose commentary on WoW I like to read are just “lollygagging along” (as Amateur Azerothian puts it), taking their time, exploring and enjoying the world that the devs have created for us, and having immense amounts of fun doing it. Even the folks on my blogroll who are already level 110 didn’t just blitz to it. Perhaps we’re finally taking the advice of the Pandaren to heart.

Kamalia is now level 107 and BTH is 108. We duoed Darkheart Thicket last night. The trash seemed harder than the bosses, but I think that was again because there were only two of us. We wiped once on the trash because we overpulled. Some more people would have helped with the loads of interrupts and generally burning things down faster. The bosses, though… even though our Tank-n-Healer DPS was really slow, the evidence of two dungeons suggests that this expansion seems to just loooove ground effects, and keeping two people out of them was a lot easier than keeping five would have been. I was starting to get down to the bottom of my mana pool by the end of the boss fights, though.

I took some time to do the quest series in my Order Hall campaign that I’d been putting off and was rewarded with the achievement for completing the first chapter. That quest chain took me back to another beautiful Cataclysm location, the Vortex Pinnacle. I’m looking forward to finding out where the next stage of the Order Hall campagin will take me, once I’ve finished up the Follower missions that were spawned by completing the last stage.

I’m not feeling any great rush to get Kamalia to level 110 — though I’m hearing wonderful things about Suramar and World Quests — because I want to especially take my time questing through and thoroughly exploring Highmountain.

I’m getting keen to start leveling some alts and seeing their Artifact and Order Hall stories, though. It feels a little silly to admit this, but part of my desire to level alts comes from seeing all the rest of my characters flagged with “Requires at least one Champion” when I log into the Legion Companion app on my phone.

The Demon Hunter should get to Exalted with the Shado-Pan tomorrow. Then she’ll be ready to head out to the Broken Isles and beat up some demons with Marius and Tehd (those dudes, by the way, are hilarious).

The Mages, meanwhile, are bogged down in legacy content.

The Alliance Mage has been camping Heroic Trial of the Champion in Icecrown for the past couple of weeks, trying to get the Peacekeeper Blade for a couple of Mog ideas. I want to do at least one of those Mog ideas with a Horde character, so unfortunately just grabbing the Gnomeregan Bonechopper with spare Champion’s Seals won’t do the trick — I did that first, and my Horde characters who use 1H swords can’t even see it in their Appearances collection. My Horde characters can see the Peacekeeper Blade when they filter for uncollected appearances, but I’m unclear on whether they’d be able to loot the item from the dungeon — if I’m remembering correctly, only Alliance characters could obtain it when the dungeon was first released. Anyhow, if the darn thing would drop for her, then the Alliance Mage could go to New Dalaran, too.

The Horde Mage decided in the last few weeks of Warlords that she needs a Jeweled Fishing Pole before she goes to the Broken Isles. I don’t know what she’ll do with it, other than look fancy when she does the Darkmoon Faire fishing quest each month, but she insisted that she was tired of saying “I’ll come back for that later”. That thing has a low, low drop rate, however, so even though she’s been doing the Old Dalaran and Thunder Bluff fishing dailies as often as I rememeber to do them, she hasn’t yet gotten it. So it might be awhile before she goes to New Dalaran.

I’d been thinking that I’d take my one-spec characters to the Broken Isles before any of my multi-spec characters, but when the Horde Mage got a Bone Fishing Pole and didn’t want it, the Death Knight suddenly decided that she wanted one. So now she’s hanging out in Thunder Bluff (not having a super spiffy personal teleport-to-any-continent-in-the-world ability, she’s not bothering with the Old Dalaran fishing dailies) and is likely to be there for quite some time before she achieves her objective.

So who will be my third character out to the Broken Isles, after Kam and the Demon Hunter? The Rogue and the Warlock are the other characters on the one-spec list, but it’ll probably end up being the Druid. Watching BTH bop around in the Druid Order Hall is making me want to go do Druid stuff myself.

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Much like I did at the end of Mists, I want to pause for a moment to reflect on what my characters accomplished during Warlords. I leveled 15 16 characters to 100 — all 1112 (counting the Demon Hunter) classes as Horde, plus one Alliance Mage, plus Horde doubles of Death Knight, Shaman, and Monk. Almost as soon as I’d finished leveling them, however, I decided to Retire my Horde doubles.

Although the Garrison wasn’t nearly as customizable as we might have hoped, it still offered some latitude for expressing personal preferences to differentiate amongst my characters. Certain buildings were so useful, though, that the differences mostly came down to building the correct small building for each character’s individual crafting profession and occasional variations in medium and large building choices. For the sake of convenience, I kept their general Garrison layouts very similar.

Although there are no active Lumber Mills in my characters’ final Garrison choices, various characters did have Lumber Mills at one stage or another of their progression through the expansion.

Another important way to differentiate my characters’ Garrisons arrived with the Jukebox in Patch 6.1. When I went AFK for a few minutes, the tune playing in the background reminded me which character I was logged in with when I came back. Depending on how much they’d cared about capital city rep in previous expansions, some characters were also able to choose different guards. And then of course there were the Followers…

Guards: Thunder Bluff
Jukebox: Thunder Bluff, Mulgore Plains
Ideal Garrison Staff: Yepa, Rizei, Tadi, Shappa, Lonan (Tauren Shaman); Geyah, Lokra, Kal’gor, Kaz, Leorajh (zone/quest Shaman); Karg, Na’shra, Mulverick, Ka’la (Frostwolf Orcs); Utona, Unkala, Raitea, Fazerra, Kieu, Reena, Soozee, Moxy (inn recruit female Shaman)

Guards: Sen’jin
Jukebox: Zul’Gurub Voodoo, the Zandalari
Ideal Garrison Staff: Fawne, Kwahu, Hara’len, Kaama (Tauren Hunters); Pleasure Bot 8000, Ziri’ak (Mechanicals); Rala, Mulverick, Rokash, Penny, Velonara, Nat, Harrison (zone/quest Hunters — Harrison may technically be a Rogue, but he carries a gun, so that makes him an honorary Hunter); Karga, Rumelda, Kew, Vala, Mychele, Mokuja, Abigail, Samantha, Coggeye (inn recruit female Hunters); Aesin (inn recruit male Blood Elf Hunter)

Guards: Huojin Pandaren/Shado-Pan
Jukebox: Way of the Monk, Song of Liu Lang
Ideal Garrison Staff: Yiska, Toega (Tauren Monks); Fen Tao, Bruto (zone/quest Monks); Lin, Kang, Ken-Ken, Ashyo, Xiao (inn recruit Pandaria Monk Buddies!); Su-Lai, Xue, Haomi, Nuan, Fo Sho, Xen, Len Shu (inn recruit Pandaren Monks); Tizare, Lara, Lucy, Yu’un, Favra (inn recruit female Monks); Velandros (inn recruit male Blood Elf Monk)

Guards: Ebon Blade
Jukebox: Mountains, Ghost
Ideal Garrison Staff: Kilga, Tipa, Kaasa, Tigar (Tauren Death Knights); Xuk, Ahm (Ghosts); Kaz, Bruto, Xuk, Cacklebone (Laughing Skull Orcs); Gibb, Abu’gar (zone/quest Death Knights); Vivianne, Ulna, Barov, Velonara (zone/quest Forsaken); Gie, Sylvie, Arachni, Morticia, Rike, Torwa, Nerwalla, Heyzzle (inn recruit female Death Knights)

Jukebox: Magic
Ideal Garrison Staff: Ishaal, Kurekk, Rukaryx, Vayx (Arakkoa); Leorajh, Goldmane, Pallas (Saberon); Phylarch (Botani); Choluna (zone/quest Druid); Matoclaw, Genah, Kuma, Haumeja, Cadi, Tama, Goahn, Magrum, Tapa, Tholo, Atohi, Muaha, Humak, Iye (Tauren Druids); Jakala (inn recruit female Troll Druid)

Guards: Thunder Bluff
Jukebox: Mountains of Thunder
Ideal Garrison Staff: Kanuama, Karn, Gaho, Maska (Tauren Warriors); Olin, Na’shra, Karg, Morketh, Lantresor, Tormmok, Blook, Ahm (zone/quest Warriors); Bim’ini, Xuan, Motina, Gazra, Olivia, Allison, Eula, Rizza, Annix, Myra (inn recruit female Warriors)

Guards: Silvermoon/Sunreavers
Jukebox: Silvermoon, Lament of the Highborne
Ideal Garrison Staff: Dawn, Chillbreeze, Vella, Taela, Marius (Blood Elf Mages); Krelas, Vivianne, Vargoth (zone/quest Mages); Kaz (because she’s a pyro); Tuulani (because Kaelinda likes the Draenei); Candice, Noel, Kral’girz, Shoka, Jukka, Awarri, Pele’zol, Kaz’hiki, Nuku’te (inn recruit female Mages); Tuan (inn recruit male Pandaren Mage)

Guards: Silvermoon/Sunreavers
Jukebox: Argent Tournament
Ideal Garrison Staff: Layla, Ariia, Hannya, Faala, Naana, Skah, Sahale, Lusio, Tawa, Kaiel (Tauren Paladins); Tuulani (because of Liadrin at Auchindoun); Seleriel, Auriel, Besandran, Opheron, Artemisia, Salanar, Merhean, Zance, Tas’ril, Argonis, Lan’Veros (Blood Elf Paladins); Soulare (Human Paladin)

Jukebox: Faerie Dragon
Ideal Garrison Staff: Enola, Yaalo, Ahote (Tauren Priests); Ulna, Tuulani (zone/quest Priests); Priscilla, Phaedra, Arienne, Hayli, Pikake, Takmoa, Marara, Vyse, Handel, Harley, Ruthia, Kenzi (inn recruit female Priests); Zuo (inn recruit male Pandaren Priest)

Jukebox: Black Temple
Ideal Garrison Staff: Cheri, Soulblaze, Vera V, Nadia, Kerraleon (Blood Elf Warlocks); Aeda (zone/quest Warlock); Krelas, Vivianne, Kaz (because they’re pyros); Veka’kai, Natalie, Simone, Shade, Nethraza, Arga, Deena (inn recruit female Warlocks)

Jukebox: Totems of the Grizzlemaw, Rescue the Warchief (Lost Isles)
Ideal Garrison Staff: Ariiya, Alia, Vivalia, Vaal’kelthos (Blood Elf Rogues); Ka’la, Dagg, Harrison, Kimzee (zone/quest Rogues); Kimzee, Penny, Felblast, Goodwell (zone/quest Goblins); Velonara (because poisons are a Rogue thing); Kablouie, Pinkee, Qwilla, Grelwaz, Zaelatha, Lai, Ella, Vera H (inn recruit female Rogues)

Jukebox: Shalandis Isle, Cold Mountain
Ideal Garrison Staff: Serena, Vargoth, Millhouse (zone/quest Mages); Fiona, Rulkan (because they’re awesome); Chel, Erdanii, Kaalya, Tuulani, Onaala, Illona, Miall (zone/quest female Draenei); Rebecca, Becky, Araspeth, Tessa, Bloodrose, Scrapsy, Mysandra, Danaeris, Reina, Caerania, Seona, Alessia, Haana (inn recruit female Mages)

You would think that with this goal of making each character’s Garrison into a sort of proto-Order Hall for her Class in mind, I’d have made a list of which Followers each character specifically needed to recruit soon after the beginning of Warlords, but no, I didn’t do it until a couple of weeks before Patch 7.0. Thus, Kamalia was so focused on trying to recruit all the Tauren Followers that she often turned down Followers that she should have hired (ie Shamans that weren’t Tauren). Even if every character gets a Follower whom she actually wants to hire every week from now on, it will take me about four more months of visiting my Garrisons at least once a week just to recruit new Followers at the Inn to completely perfect my characters’ Garrison staffing.

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The pre-patch is almost here and the excitement to leave Draenor and the Garrison behind has built to kid-on-Christmas-Eve levels. In describing it this way, I don’t mean to be derisive or to imply that I’m immune — I wrote about what I plan to do on the day before the patch comes, to get ready for it, about a week ago.

Today I want to write about what I want to do after the patch comes.

I’m glad that the devs are giving us some time to get used to the class changes before the Demon Invasions begin because that also gives me some time to finish up a few lingering Warlords content goals.

* As I’ve mentioned before, my Hunter is currently Beast Mastery, and losing her pet when she mounts up on one of the Stables mounts-in-training is a big hit to her DPS. After the patch, I’ll use a Lone Wolf Marksmanship spec to do the Black Claw of Sethe and Garn-Tooth Necklace mounted combat challenges so that she can get the Stable Master title.

* Just in the past week or two, I’ve been taking my Alliance Mage back to Tanaan to work on Lion’s Watch rep so that she can get the Packaged Ceremonial Karabor Finery clothie-only Transmogrification ensemble. Although I don’t think I’ll ever wear the complete outfit, I would like to have some of the pieces available for mix-and-match. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by Tanaan, actually — the bits of the zone that aren’t covered in fel green goo are rather lovely jungle, and the semi-directed playstyle makes it a lot more fun to me than the mostly undirected Timeless Isle was. Anyhow, Kaylynda still has about a week of bopping around in Tanaan to get up to the necessary rep level.

* I’d gotten all my primary characters fitted out with Royal Satchels in all their personal inventory slots (F8-F11) (a task that kept my Tailors busily growing Windshear Cactus at Sunsong Ranch well into Warlords) and Hexweave Bags in all their bank slots. Then I took a break from Tailoring CDs for a bit while I tried to decide whether or not I wanted to make Hexweave Bags for all their personal inventory slots, too. To help with that decision, I looked up the Tailoring bag in Legion and discovered that it will be a catch-up 24-slot bag. With that in mind, I concluded that even with the massive inventory cleanup coming in the patch, it would be worth the effort to get all my active characters fully outfitted with Hexweave Bags. So I got my Tailors going again, but they’ve still got a week or two of work left before they will have made enough bags to finish outfitting all of my current active characters and have a full set of eleven bags ready for my Demon Hunter.

After I’ve got my Transmogrification Collection sorted and am ready to dig into the new content, here’s what I want to do:

* I’m unclear on whether the gradually unfolding lore-heavy plot-bridge questline will begin as soon as the patch goes live or not until later when the Demon Invasions and Demon Hunters become available. Either way, I intend play through it at least with Kamalia and Kaylynda.

* I’m going to need to do Demon Invasions with a character of each armor type — Kamalia for mail, probably Kaylynda (though maybe Kaelinda) for cloth, either my Paladin or my Warrior for plate, and either my Druid or my Monk for leather. Each character will need to do enough to get the Transmogrification ensemble for her armor type, of course, and I’ll probably try to do enough to get all 16 of the event-exclusive weapons, too.

I’ve also been thinking about what I want to do when Legion itself launches.

One of the pre-expansion anticipation questions that’s been making the rounds of the blogosphere is “how many Artifact weapons do you plan to get?” which is a variation on the more usual “how many alts will you play in the new expansion?” question.

I’ve divvied up my active characters into one spec, two spec, and three spec groups based on how many of the specs of each class appeal to me.

One spec: Frost Death Knight, Destruction Warlock, Outlaw Rogue, Havoc Demon Hunter

Two spec: Discipline/Holy Priest, Fire/Arcane Mage (Blood Elf), Arcane/Frost Mage (Human)

Three spec: Shaman, Hunter, Warrior, Paladin, Monk, Druid (Balance/Resto/Feral)

Kamalia will level to 110 first, as she always does, and she will most likely do it in Resto as her primary spec because BTH has been saying that he thinks he’ll come back to WoW just for the leveling game part of Legion. Kaylynda has a high probability of going second, partially so I can see the Alliance side of the Broken Shore experience and partially because I’m pretty hyped about getting Aegwynn’s staff (though I’ve decided she’ll do Frost second because she’s been having a blast playing as Frost in Tanaan).

After that, I’ve been contemplating the notion of bringing up the rest of my alts in the inverse order of how interested I am in playing them long-term throughout the expansion. What I mean by this is that after Kamalia and Kaylynda have gotten started, the next characters I would start doing Legion content with would be the one-spec alts. I’d take them through the acquisition of their Artifact weapons and the establishment of their Order Halls, then set them aside. Then I’d play the two-spec alts through to level 102 and the acquisition of both of their desired Artifacts. Then I’d start working on the three-spec alts, playing each of them through to level 102 and the acquisition of all of their Artifacts. After that, I’ll play whomever I’m most interested in playing with in the moment. My thought is that doing it this way will allow me to spend most of the expansion playing with my more-favored, higher-priority characters without feeling bugged by wanting to get my less-favored, lower-priority alts at least through the acquisition of their Artifact weapons and the establishment of their Order Halls — because that would already be done. Although I’ve heard that there’s a Feat of Strength achievement for completing the Order Hall Campaign for all 12 classes, so I’ll probably end up playing them all through the entirety of their Order Hall Campaigns eventually…

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